Centerpin Fishing From A Guides Perspective
I have been Centerpin fishing for over 30 years and I believe it is one of the most fun and most effective methods for catching trout, steelhead, and salmon on medium to large rivers. Centerpin fishing is a way of presenting a bait under a float in a river using a special reel called a Centerpin or float reel.
Centerpin fishing requires a special reel called a Centerpin reel and an extra-long rod. Centerpin fishing allows you to get long, accurate, and controlled drifts that get your bait into the strike zone and allows you to keep it there which is why it’s the most productive river fishing method.
Having the right gear for Centerpin fishing and knowing how to use the gear is very important. More important is knowing how to effectively present your float and your bait to the fish which is what I teach as a professional river guide.
Using a float is also known as float fishing so some anglers call Centerpin fishing just float fishing. Float fishing can be done with a Centerpin reel, a spinning reel, or a bait cast reel.
There are 4 key fundamentals to Centerpin fishing and float fishing that you need to know and need to learn before you are that 1 guy catching 10 steelhead when everyone else around you is only catching 1 or 2. I will discuss those 4 fundamentals in more detail below because if you miss even one of them you will struggle to catch fish with any consistency.
Centerpin Fishing Species
You can Centerpin fish for trout, steelhead, salmon, and even smallmouth bass and carp in rivers. Centerpin fishing can work for any fish that is in the flow of the river. I have even caught walleye while Centerpin Fishing.
Centerpin Fishing Rivers
Centerpin fishing is great in any river wider than 20 feet. Centerpin fishing can also be good in slow-moving water as well as very fast water. The best rivers for Centerpin fishing are 3 feet deep up to 15 feet deep.
It’s difficult to Centerpin fish in shallow water under 3 feet deep so it’s best to use the advanced bottom bouncing method I discuss on my Bottom Bouncing page. You can use a Centerpin reel to do botton bouncing too.
The Centerpin Reel
The Centerpin Reel is the most important part of Centerpin fishing and it’s the reason why Centerpin fishing is so productive.
The Centerpin reel looks like a large fly reel but a Centerpin reel has no drag system and is meant for regular fishing lines that you might use on a spinning reel.
Centerpin reels allow the anglers to get long smooth drifts when using a float to present the bait to the fish.
A Centerpin reel works better for float fishing than spinning reels or bait cast reels because the Centerpin reel allows you to feed line out effortlessly and smoothly and enables you to control the speed of the line so that you can control the speed of your float and the speed of the bait and all that provides you with the best presentation possible.
I have used and guided with spinning reels and with bait cast reels when float fishing and in most cases they can not do the job as well as a Centerpin reel can.
Centerpin reels are basically a spool that rotates around a center post with a very high-end and smooth bearing which allows it to spin freely with zero effort. Centerpin reels also have no drag system which makes fighting fish both challenging and a whole lot of fun.
I have a page All About Centerpin Reels where I discuss:
- The 4 best Centerpin reels.
- Bearings versus bushing
- Centerpin Reel Sizes
- Left hand or right hand – whats best
- Centerpin reel weight and build
- Custom Centerpin reels versus brand name reels
- What is reel start-up?
- Best lines for Centerpin reels
The Centerpin Rod
Long and light rods are the name of the game when it comes to Centerpin Fishing. An average size Centerpin rod is around 13 feet with a line rating of 4 to 10lbs for great lakes fishing and around 8 to 16 pounds for very big rivers and west coast steelhead.
For trout fishing a 9 to 11 foot light weight rod is a good choice.
The reason we use such long rods when Centerpin fishing is that the longer rod allows us to keep the line up off the water on long drifts which allows us to have better line control and float control and an overall better presentation.
The long Centerpin rods act like a giant shock absorber so that we can use lighter leaders on big fish that might be line shy. The long rods also protect the leader on hook sets. Not to mention these long Centerpin rods are fun to fish with.
But not all centerpin rods are equal with some being better much better than others. You also want a Centerpin rod that suites the rivers that you fish.
I have an entire page dedicated to Centerpin Rods which is where I cover things like:
- 5 Best Centerpin rods
- Centerpin rod length
- Best rods for small rivers, medium rivers, and large rivers
- Best Centerpin rod action
- Rod sizing chart
- 2 piece rods versus 3 piece Centerpin rods
- Best Centerpin rod handle types
- Best float rods for spin fishing
The Centerpin Line
The lines we use for Centerpin fishing are the same lines that we use on a spinning reel and are made of Mono, Copolymer, or they can sometimes be a braided line.
One thing you need to make sure of is that the line is supple, is not too heavy, and that it floats.
Also using bright colored lines like the line in this picture can have a lot of advantages as long as you set up your leader properly. Check out my page the Best Centerpin Lines for a lot more information.
Terminal Tackle For Float Fishing
When it comes to Centerpin fishing and float fishing with spinning reels we use all the same terminal tackle which includes floats, leaders, swivels, weights, hooks, and baits.
The Best Centerpin Floats
Some anglers will call them a bobber but the correct term when river fishing is a float. Floats are a key component of Centerpin fishing but not all floats are good for float fishing in rivers.
Although some websites will tell you those round red and white bobbers are just fine, they aren’t!
The only time I would use a red and white bobber is if I wanted to fish without catching any fish. If I see guys on the river with red and white bobbers I know they are leaving all the fish for me, so thanks red and white bobber guys 😉
For float fishing in rivers and creeks, you want a longer narrow float designed specifically for river fishing. These floats have specific advantages and are much better for river fishing but only if you know how to utilize them properly.
I have an entire page on the Best Floats For Centerpin Fishing – HERE. I talk about which floats to use in different rivers and under different river conditions and some tips on how to maximize your success with them.
Leader For Float Fishing
The leader attaches to the mainline which is where you attach your weights, hooks, and your baits.
I highly suggest that you use the right leader and that you know what the right size leader is for the type of river and the type of fish that you fish for.
There are all kinds of leaders to choose from but I narrow it down for you and explain the difference between the best leaders, the right sizes, as well as teach you how to set the leader up like a pro on my Best Leaders For Float Fishing page.
Swivels And Weights For Float Fishing
We use micro swivels to attach the leader to the mainline.
I also use something called a shot line which is a separate portion of the leader where all the weights go. If you set this up properly you will improve your success.
You should be using split shots in sizes BB to AAA for most trout and steelhead situations. Not all weights are good for river fishing so check out my page on the Best Weights For Fly Fishing and Float Fishing. Although this page is about fly fishing weights I use the same weights for float fishing too.
Best Hooks For Float Fishing
The right hooks are really important when float fishing for trout, steelhead, and salmon.
Having the wrong hook can lead to all kinds of problems and even no fish.
A hook too big may be seen by the fish and ignored or it could cause problems with your presentation and even snag up more.
A hook that is too small can break, bend or come out too easily and you could loose a fish of a lifetime.
Check out my page on the 4 Best Hooks For Float Fishing for more details and my list of the best hooks to use in all situations.
The Best Baits For Float Fishing
Using the right bait at the right time will greatly increase the amount of fish you catch.
I would think this makes sense but I still see guys putting all kinds of dumb stuff on their hooks all the time.
Lucky for them trout put all kinds of dumb stuff in their mouths sometimes, especially those dumber than dumb stocked trout, but why use something like corn or marshmallows when worms or eggs will catch 10 times more fish?
In most river situations you can’t go wrong with live or plastic worms, spawn, and flies but there other really good baits you could try under your float.
Check out my page on the 4 Best Baits For Steelhead and my page Best Trout Bait – The Only 5 Baits You Will Ever Need for more details on what baits to use, when to use them and some of my guide tips to make them more effective.
The 4 Fundamentals of Centerpin Fishing
Just because you have all the right gear and tackle doesn’t mean you are going to start catching fish like everyone else. Many guys believe that how you float fish is to simply put bait on your hook and then cast it out into the river and then watch it go and then wait for a fish to grab it. That is WRONG!
The guys that believe this is how you float fish are the guys that usually end up catching 1 or 2 fish when guys like me and my clients are catching 10 or more.
These are my four fundamentals that you need to learn if you want to become one of those guys that catch all the fish.
Set Up For More Success When Centerpin Fishing
One of the fundamentals of good Centerpin fishing is how you set up your rod, reel line, leader, and even how you put on your bait.
Setting up your leader wrong can mean no fish at the end of the day even if you are good at the other 3 fundamentals.
Also, using a reel that doesn’t work well or using an old line or line that is too heavy will prevent you from catching fish. using the wrong float, the wrong leader, or the wrong hooks can prevent you from catching fish. Everything from the rod and reel down to the bait needs to be just right. But even if you get all that perfectly set up, you still need to know the other 3 fundamentals.
It’s a combination of all 4 that will put you up their with the best anglers on the river.
Cover The Water Effectively When Centerpin Fishing
You need to be standing in the right spot. As float fishing anglers we fish top down.
Positioning yourself at the top of the pool to fish and making long drifts from the top of the pool to the bottom of the pool is important if you want to catch the most fish.
Once your drift is complete you want to systematically move each drift a little further, about a foot at a time until the entire pool is completely covered.
You can see how this is done with the orange lines in the above picture.
Normally I would have had the angler fish from the bank but it had too many hanging trees, or I would have had him stand back about 15 feet so his rod tip was about where the first line in the middle of the river is but the water was too fast for him to stand.
The main thing is to cover the water in lines and don’t miss a spot. Unfortunately, many anglers do not do this very well and they miss a lot of fish. I discuss this in more detail on my page Float Fishing: Tips From A Pro River Guide For More Trout
Find The Bottom When Float Fishing
The trout and steelhead are usually very close to the bottom and much of the time it’s very difficult to tell how deep they are. This means you need to get your bait down to the fish if you want to catch them.
Many guys make the mistake of either dragging their baits along the bottom or drifting their bait too far over the heads of the fish and they rarely make adjustments to their floats. I tell all my students that the first thing they want to do in every spot that the fish is to find the bottom.
Having the perfect leader set up and the best bait and then making a great drift is useless if your bait is 5 feet over their heads. Find the bottom and you will find the fish. I guess the depth just by looking at the pool, then I adjust my float to what I think the depth might be, I usually start shallower than deeper and make a drift.
The first drift is to see if the bait catches the bottom or if the float keeps tilting downriver fast. if this happens I’m likely hitting bottom. If it drifts freely without out any tilting or bumbing rocks I just make it a foot deeper and try again, then I keep repeating until I start hitting the bottom.
Once you find the bottom you can shorten up your leader by 6 to 12 inches and then make and good clean and controlled drift, and then start covering the water 1 foot at a time as I describe above.
Using the right float and using the right bait can really help you learn how to find the bottom better.
A sensitive float like the ones I recommend on my best floats page will help you find the bottom easier. Round floats suck for this!
A heavier bait that gets down fast and stays down and one that will drag and catch the bottom more often will also help you determine if you are on the bottom or not. A very light bait will not work so well.
Centerpin Fishing – Speed Control
Speed control is the most important fundamental of all four when it comes to float fishing. I didn’t realize this until I started guiding and I watched hundreds of anglers fish.
I wondered why one angler would catch all the fish with the same setup and same bait as another angler that wasn’t catching any fish.
There are a lot of reasons why one guy might catch all the fish including maybe a little luck, but after seeing this over and over again with both float fishing anglers, spin fishing anglers and even fly anglers I realized that it almost always came down to speed.
If I watched both anglers close enough I would eventually realize that one angler would hold his float back just a little and slow his bait down and that angler always caught more fish.
One of my cocky clients refused to believe that holding the float back and controlling the speed really mattered. I told him I could prove it and he said “go for it”, so I fished with him (something I never do with clients) only to prove a point. I landed 13 steelhead in about 90 minutes to him only landing one steelhead. I finally said do you see how much of a difference fishing the right way can make.
The rods, the lines, leaders, hooks, and the bait were all identical. I even let him cast first and run all the new water first to give him the best chance. The only difference was how I was fishing, my speed control, and presentation was superior. He got the point and we worked hard on his presentation and it paid off because the next morning he out-fished his regular fishing partner 6 to 1 in the first 2 hours of the day.
There is a thing in float fishing called trotting or checking your float.
You can do this much better with a Centerpin reel than any other reel which is why I believe that Centerpin fishing is superior to any other reel used in float fishing.
Some anglers reading this already know what trotting or checking your float is but I would bet 9 out of 10 didn’t know the reel reason why trotting works so well. Did you?
Trotting or checking your float is simply holding your float back so it moves slower than the surface current. Most anglers believe the reason they trott or check their floats is so the bait goes ahead of the float so that the fish see the bait first and so they won’t be spooked by the line, the weights, or the float. Having your bait go first is simply a good secondary side effect of trotting.
The real reason trotting works so well is because if you hold your float back just enough you can match the bottom speed. Matching the bottom speed means that your bait moves in the lower water column at a speed that matches everything else drifting through that area and your bait looks more natural to the fish. It also gives the fish more time to see your bait and react to it.
To do this well, you want to hold your float back just a little to get the right angle. You can do this by applying pressure or tapping the spool of the Centerpin reel.
Once you get that proper angle you work your reel and control the speed to maintain that angle throughout the entire drift.
You want to try and achieve the best angle as seen in the picture and diagram above. Without going into full details on why this angle is the best, just trust me on this one and do it.
New To Centerpin Fishing
I have taught thousands of anglers how to Centerpin fish and float fish through my guide service. I have a page Centerpin Fishing For Beginners – 20 Steps that you should check out for more information.
Casting the Centerpin can be tough. Check out this YouTube video on How To Cast A Centerpin Reel
Got A Question About Centerpin Fishing Or Float Fishing?
If you have a question or comment or some advice for me and others about Centerpin fishing or float fishing let me know in the comment section below.